Re: [-empyre-] a bit on delay

[Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>]

I wonder if it would be possible to explore resonance with traceroute.
Traceroute in a way traces the sonic contours of the net, to the extent
that lag and ping (the name is telling, since it references sound and
reverberation) are both archi- tectural and aural. But the feedback in
traceroute doesn't 'build' - it's an epistemological transformation among
protocols, whereas aural resonance is the content, on one level looped
back into itself, on the same level.

If there weren't checksums!

I'd like to see some other content, than disappearance, emerge - some
content where the protocols themselves became manifest.

If I knew enough about Ethereal, perhaps that could be modified...

I knew Alvin, and have heard the piece of course - it's a beautiful piece.
He did a number of works involving room, resonance, feedback - another is
Music on a Long Thin Wire, and there was a performance I heard live
involving echolocators in a dark room.

- Alan


On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Felix Sattler wrote:

> dear lars, alan, -empyreans-,
>
> Tuesday, 06.04.04, 10:21 Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >  Another comment - one
> > learns of course in grade school that lag characterizes eveyr
> > interaction,
> > that, in terms of phenomenology and physics, information takes time to
> > be
> > processed and travel. So it's inherent; I wonder how this could be
> > brought
> > out more?
>
> lars provides a very interesting thought about this when he states
> below:
>
> lars mai wrote:
> > maybe parts of the fascination with these delays comes from a certain
> > sense
> > of "space" involved, analogous to reverbation in a physical room, but
> > this is
> > of course questionable...
>
> i find that "reverberation" idea indeed fascinating. as we are talking
> about the net,
> it is almost like asking for the boundaries of the universe (or a way
> to experience them).
> in terms of sound, reverberation determines the physical/virtual
> dimension of a room and also its material characteristic (i.e. tiles vs
> carpet result in
> totally different frequency filtering).
> especially mirko kubein's film reminds me of a famous piece by
> electro-acoustic
> composer alvin lucier, "i am sitting in a room".
> ----
> In I am sitting in a room, several sentences of recorded speech are
> simultaneously
> played back into a room and re-recorded there many times.
> As the repetitive process continues, those sounds common to the
> original spoken
> statement and those implied by the structural dimensions of the
> room are reinforced. The others are gradually eliminated. The space acts
> as a filter; the speech is transformed into pure sound. All the
> recorded segments
> are spliced together in the order in which they were made and
> constitute the work.
> ----
> (taken from: http://www.lovely.com/titles/cd1013.html)
>
> do you think that streaming media codecs provide the same feel for the
> "resonances"
> of the net?
>   in lucier's piece in the end we hear just "the room" stripped bare of
> any content as the
> original voice dissolves totally.
>
> if the same happens with streaming media, what do we hear/see then? can
> the
> "resonance of the net" be described by streaming media?
>
> ultimately curiously
>
> felix
>
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